I find these building fascinating - harking back to an era that is sadly no more (as per usual with somewhere as 'dynamic' as HK). I get quite excited whenever I see one, sometimes on main thoroughfares, sometimes tucked away in the maze of streets that litter the territory. Perhaps it is their relative scarcity adds to their allure? Either way I have decided to try and document as many of them as possible and, at the inspired suggestion of MrB, to do this on Batgung
I have a few in mind that I have already added as places, and a few more I intend to revisit over the coming weeks (e.g The Pawn and some more on De Voeux Rd) so I can pinpoint their exact location and document them here.
However, I am a relative newby to HK (2+ years) and, furthermore, a Tai Po soul, so not really as familiar with Kowloon and HK Island as I know many of you are. So, please feel free to comment with some suggestions or, even better, add them as places yourself so we can get a consolidated map in order. If you do add one, please attach a Shop Houses tag.
EDIT: According to a local news report (19/09/2008), regarding the renovation of the row of shop houses (described as 1930's pre-war housing) on Prince Edward Rd West, there are only 73 examples of Shop Houses still standing in HK. So let's see if we can get photos of all of them.
Re-use existing tags whenever possible
To get the most benefit from tags it is best to re-use existing tags whenever possible.
The trick is to let batgung.com show you tags that already exist, and choose from that list. eg if you are adding a new shop house place, then in the "tags:" field just type shop and pause for a few seconds. You'll see a list of matching tags will appear, including the correct tag Shop Houses. Click that to select it and carry on with creating the place.
When I type in the full tag instead of choosing it from a list, there is a good chance I'll get it wrong - either a misspelling or I don't remember the tag correctly.
eg since the original post was written, there are now three tags in batgung.com that relate to shop houses:
The problem is that means there are now three separate maps of places, one for each term. It's better if everyone uses the same tag, Shop Houses, so that all the shop house places show up on the same map.
Why does this happen? If you type a new tag, the software automatically creates a new tag for you. So common mistakes like missing the 's' in #2 above causes new tags to be created.
Choosing tags from the list works better in most cases.
MrB
PS I've cleaned up the tags #2 and #3 so everything is now back to the single tag Shop Houses.
Re-use existing tags
Hi there,
Thanks. I wanted to edit it out when I realized what I have done. I saw the 'Edit' tab, but when I clicked it, I only got a blank page. I wonder.......
Best Regards,
T
Using multiple tags
Sometimes, you'll want to add more information about a place, and so tag it with something different from the main tag. eg the person adding the tag Hong Kong Shop Houses might be planning to use another tag Kowloon Shop Houses, so they could differentiate between the two. Of course we can already see that from the map, so let's think of another example.
Say another reader is interested in whether the shop house is likely to be demolished, and thinks that if it is empty there is a higher chance of it being knocked down. So they tag could their places with Inhabited Shop Houses or Empty Shop Houses.
But that causes another problem. Places tagged Inhabited Shop Houses won't show up on the main map, which only shows places tagged Shop Houses. The trick is to add both tags, so that the place shows up in a search for Inhabited Shop Houses, and also appears on the map of places tagged Shop Houses. To do this you'd enter both tags when you create the place, separated by a comma. So
or
In most cases it is good to keep the tags as short as possible, so a better choice could be:
or
Blank page on Edit
Hi T,
Please could you try again, and when you see the blank page press 'page down'. Do you see the edit area at the bottom of the page?
The current way of working is confusing - thanks for pointing it out. I think it is the google ad block that pushes the edit area to the bottom, so I'll see if we can hide the ads on an edit page, as there is no good reason to show them there
Regards, MrB
Blankpage on Edit
Hi there,
You are right. It's there. I think another option is to see if the Google Ads could be put into a frame of its own.
Thanks,
T
keep 'em coming
T, you're a star. I will make an effort to gets some photos over the next couple of weeks now that I have been given the "Adding Photos to Batgung.com - for Dummies" quick walkthrough.
Incidentally, further to the TV news report on Shop houses in Shanghai Street and Prince Edward Rd, there was an article in Saturdays SCMP outlining the plans.Not sure I entirely agree with them but it's better than the usual HK plan (and we all know what that is).
Shop houses - pawn shops
Is it my imagination, or do an unusually large number of the remaining shop houses hold pawn shops? And if yes, does anyone know why?
Old Pawn Shops
Hi there,
My observation is that these old Pawn Shops usually own the whole block, which means the owner must have been quite wealthy. These Pawn Shop blocks also act a a stronghold for storing valuable items. But hey, if one doesn't have quite a lot of cash on hand, or a continuous flow of cash on his or her disposal, how could one start a Pawn Shop business afterall?
Best Regards,
T
Pawn shops
I suspect that the pawn shops are just well established. It wouldn't surprise me to find that they have been in the same location for a long time (i.e. since shophouses were a bit more common) and as a result have managed to help protect the buildings from redevelopment.
More locations
I had a message from Barrie as follows:
"Like yourself, i have been interested in the shophouses and have begun photographing them. Near my school are several shop houses as i wander around in my lunch break. there are plenty if you go up Lai Chi Kok Rd to the Sham Shui Po area eg in Nam Cheong st just off Lai Chi Kok rd, in Yen Chow St opp the Golden Computer Centre and many more in the area - as well as a few behind the Prince Edward MTR to the west (heading to Sham Shui Po)"
I recommended to Barrie that he come to this site and start helping us documenting, especially with decent photos. Let's hope he has a look in and helps us out.
In the meantime perhaps T can clear up if these (mentioned above) have already been tagged.
Cheers
Phil
Shop Houses near Nam Cheong Street
Hi there,
I have already marked a few of those on the map two days ago. All are welcomed to add comments and/or photos.
Best Regards,
T
Shop Houses
PhilK & T, another idea for you. Is it worth agreeing on tags to show if it's a complete building, or just some evidence like an old wall or pillar? eg
Then I can make a new page for you that lists all the complete shop houses, ie a table list, instead of the current view that shows them on a map. It will help you track progress towards finding the 73 that the government know of. (And I won't be very surprised if you find there are more than 73!)
MrB
a very good idea indeed.
I'll go back and complete my, err, three entries. T might have his work a bit more cut out for him :).
Cheers
Phil
Lists of Shop Houses
Here you go, lists of places tagged:
You'll see you can type in any tags in the search box at the top of the page. So you can make lists of any type of place you create, just by typing in their tags.
MrB
Shop Houses on Connaught Rd C. in the 1960s
Reader IDJ has sent in this photo:
He writes:
Great photo! The buildings are showing their age - none of the floors seem horizontal, nor the pillars vertical.
Background info on shop houses
Phil has some more info about them.